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PostSubject: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 21st 2008, 9:11 pm

Should wobuffet be uber or over used?

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Personally i see it as OU as in my experience using it and playing against its not that big a deal and can be easily countered and predicted.

Just want to now your opinions on it.
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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 21st 2008, 9:14 pm

I prefer it to be OU seeing as My Umbreon quickly Toxic Stalled it to death but sometimes your in a situation when your opponent kills your counter for it so it becomes hard and its ability gives it an advantage. I don't really know but it IS counterable.

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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 21st 2008, 10:31 pm

Wobbuffet has no counters because a counter requires the ability to SWITCH IN which is impossible. Also the Toxic stalling bit doesn't work on an intelligent Wobbuffet user because they'll use Safeguard to prevent status effects. Wobbuffet should remain uber because it limits skill in the game and makes certain sets-ups ridiculously easy. For example, let me explain this by showing two different scenario's I used to have on my Wobbuffet team very often!

I have Swampert out my opponent has Bronzong. Obviously Bronzong will either Hypnotize or stay in to SR. He hypnotizes me after I SR. Now let's continue.

I switched in Wobbuffet
Bronzong used Stealth Rock

Wobbuffet used Encore
Bronzong got an Encore, Bronzong used Stealth rock, but it failed.

I switch in Salamence
Bronzong used Stealth rock, but it failed.

He switches out
Salamence used Dragon Dance
Opponent sent in Porygon-Z

Salamence used Dragon Dance
Porygon-Z used Ice Beam, the Yache berry weakened the power ...

Salamence used Dragon Claw
Porygon-Z fainted.

By using Wobbuffet I have now quite easily managed to get +2 Attack, +2 speed Salamence and it's "good game" from there. Now I have demonstrated how Wobbuffet leads to easy sets up. Now let me show how Wobbuffet can ruin any defensive wall. This is another scenario that often happened on my Wobbuffet team.

I have a CB Tyranitar that just used Crunch. My opponent switches in Hippowdon to take the hit with ease. Now, I predict (because it's obvious!) my opponent will start to set up Stealth Rock since it isn't afraid of Tyranitar stuck on Crunch. Predicting this I switch in Wobbuffet

I switched in Wobbuffet
Hippowdon used Stealth Rock

Wobbuffet used Encore!
Hippowdon got an Encore, Hippowdon used stealth rock...

Now here's the key part.

Wobbuffet used Tickle!
Hippowdon's attack and defense were lowered 1 stage
Hippowdon used Stealth rock! ...

I continue this process, refreshing Encore as needed until Hippowdon has -6 Attack and -6 Defense. Now I switched in CB Tyranitar

I switched in Tyranitar
Hippowdon used Stealth Rock, but it failed.

Now, he has -6 defense he cannot stay in under any circumstances. Predicting he'll switch out to negate the defense drops I use Pursuit.

Tyranitar used Pursuit.
Hippowdon fainted.

Now I have the ability to freely sweep with the CB Tyranitar I have because Wobbuffet allowed me to take out my opponents defensive core and counter to Tyranitar.

It isn't Wobbuffet itself that makes it uber it is Wobbuffet coupled with other Pokemon that makes Wobbuffet himself uber.
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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 21st 2008, 11:28 pm

Uber cause or mirrior coat
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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 22nd 2008, 3:37 am

Salice is completly right. Unless you have a pokemon out that can counter Wob - it can easily lead to "good game". And their not gonna switch in WOb unless they know it's safe! Thus, WOb should remain Uber!
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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 22nd 2008, 12:12 pm

yea I agree 2 this was probably already discussed when Smogon made tiers
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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 22nd 2008, 12:55 pm

Exactly. I don't know many sites that actually think Wob is OU!
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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 22nd 2008, 1:01 pm

Ok so Wobbo is Uber here now.

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PostSubject: Re: Wobuffet - Uber or OU?   July 22nd 2008, 1:14 pm

I would Lock this now since its been discussed.....
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